There are TWO interviews back to back Lisa is first joined by W Kamau Bell about his latest book Do the Work An Antiracist Activity Book The second interview Lisa is joined by Ali Michael and Eleonora Bartolli the authors of Our Problem Our Path Collective Antiracism for White People Do the Work An Antiracist Activity BookW KAMAU BELL is a dad husband and comedian He directed and executive-produced the four-part Showtime documentary We Need To Talk About Cosby which premiered at Sundance He famously met with the KKK on his Emmy-Award-winning CNN docu-series United Shades of America with W Kamau Bell where he serves as host and executive producer He has appeared on The Tonight Show with Jimmy Fallon The Late Show with Stephen Colbert Conan The Daily Show with Trevor Noah CBS Mornings MSNBC s Morning Joe Comedy Central HBO Fresh Air with Terry Gross WTF with Marc Maron The Breakfast Club and This American Life He has two stand-up comedy specials Private School Negro Netflix and Semi-Prominent Negro Showtime Kamau s writing has been featured in Time The New York Times Vanity Fair The Hollywood Reporter CNN com Salon and The LA Review of Books Kamau s first book has an easy-to-remember title The Awkward Thoughts of W Kamau Bell Tales of a 6 apos 4 quot African American Heterosexual Cisgender Left-Leaning Asthmatic Black and Proud Blerd Mama apos s Boy Dad and Stand-Up Comedian He is the ACLU Artist Ambassador for Racial Justice and serves on the board of directors of Donors Choose and the advisory board of Hollaback Our Problem Our Path Collective Antiracism for White People ALI MICHAEL pronunciation ALI Alee Michael no S – as the Co-Director of the Race Institute for K-12 Educators Ali Michael Ph D works with schools and organizations across the country to help make research on race Whiteness and education more accessible and relevant to educators Ali is the author of Raising Race Questions Whiteness Inquiry and Education winner of the 2017 Society of Professors of Education Outstanding Book Award She is a member of a multiracial editorial team and sits on the editorial board of the journal Whiteness and Education Her article What do White Children Need to Know About Race co-authored with Dr Eleonora Bartoli in Independent Schools Magazine won the Association and Media Publishing Gold Award for Best Feature Article in 2014 When she is not writing speaking or training Ali is striving to be an antiracist co-parent to two amazing kids Her writing and speeches are available at alimichael org ELEONORA BARTOLI PH D pronunciation Elee-uh-nor-uh pronounced every vowel – Bart-oh-lee – is a consultant and licensed psychologist specializing in trauma resilience-building and multicultural social justice counseling She earned her Ph D in Psychology Human Development Mental Health Research from the University of Chicago After receiving her clinical license she opened a small independent practice which she has held since After 15 years in academia 12 of those years as the director of a Master s in counseling program she became a full-time consultant Her mission is to share the tools of counseling and psychology in support of social justice work Throughout her career Dr Bartoli has held leadership positions in professional organizations at both the state and national levels She has also presented at numerous conferences aExceptional Parents Extraordinary ChallengesBeing a parent is challenging enough – parenting a child with extraordinary challenges Listen on Apple Podcasts nbsp Spotify

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