In this episode Phil speaks with Dr. Kelsey Leonard, a water scientist, legal scholar, policy expert, writer, and enrolled citizen of the Shinnecock Nation. They explore the imperative to acknowledge personhood for water, and how this goes part and parcel to democratizing water governance. They also hear briefly from Dr. Farhana Sultana of Syracuse University, about water justice and galvanizing water warriors. You can find more information about Dr. Leonard at https://www.kelseyleonard.com/ and can follow her on Twitter: https://twitter.com/KelseyTLeonard. You can also learn more about Dr. Sultana at https://www.farhanasultana.com/ and follow her on Twitter: https://twitter.com/Prof_FSultana