Episode 163

Are your unrealistic expectations damaging your growth?

Have you ever been let down, disappointed, frustrated that things take so long and wondered if it’s just you, this is your episode.

In this episode, I’m asking the question “ Is patience still a virtue in the digital business world?” and talking about learning to be more resilient and play the long game is essential not only in podcasting but also in life and business. We will finally be wrapping up the 7 Deadly Sins of Podcasting series. So hurry up… let’s get on with the show!

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Have you ever been let down, disappointed, frustrated that things take

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so long and wondering if it's just you?

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If so, this is your episode.

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This is Podfluence, the show that helps you to grow your

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influence and income with podcasts.

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My name is John Ball and my mission is to help you, the self-employed

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business coach, to grow your influence and income so that you can have a

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continuously thriving coaching business.

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That said, if you are a service-based solopreneur, this content can help you.

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In this episode, I'm asking the question, is patience still a virtue

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in the digital business world?

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And I'll be talking about why or learning to be more resilient and playing the

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long game are essential not only in podcasting, but also in life and business.

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We will finally be wrapping up the seven deadly sins of podcasting series.

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So hurry up, let's get on with the show.

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So pop in your EarPods.

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Let's start the show.

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Hey, coach, are you playing the long game in your professional life?

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What I mean by that is are you thinking long term or short term?

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One of the things that often sinks professional aspirations really quick

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is the realization that things nearly always take longer than we think

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they will sometimes much longer.

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Your beautiful vision of success can rapidly come undone when

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faced with real world challenges.

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This is perhaps one reason why so many people don't ever get past the idea

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stage, and even if they do, they often fall at the first hurdle when trying

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to bring their plans into fruition.

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There genuinely are people who think that if the stars don't fully align and their

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path to their goal isn't simple and stress free, then it just wasn't meant to be.

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I know this because I've encountered this mindset many times in my

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years of coaching, and I also know that I used to think that way too.

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It's a very poor justification for quitting that excuses us from

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needing to make any real effort.

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Perhaps I shouldn't be too hard on myself and others about this.

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After all, we've been conditioned to want instant gratification to

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get what we want when we want it.

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Most of us no longer really consider patience to be much of a virtue,

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and yet, I would say for myself at least, that so much of life is

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about learning lessons of patience.

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I like the way that my friend and mentor T Harv Eker puts it.

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You can have everything you want, but you can't have it all at once.

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This is the last of my seven deadly sins of podcasting series.

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Number seven is, Impatience

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if you've been following the series.

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Number one was gluttony and self-indulgence.

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Number two was selfishness.

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Number three was ignorance or lack of awareness.

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Number four was vanity.

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Number five was inconsistency or unreliability.

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Number six was unpreparedness, and number seven is impatience.

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If you want to recap the whole series, I will club them all

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together into a Captivate playlist.

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If you go to the show's homepage with Captivate, you'll be

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able to find grouped episode.

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If you want to find the written articles group together, you can find those

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through the Podfluence a weekly LinkedIn newsletter, which again, you'll find In.

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The show impatience in podcasting is a fast road to quitting.

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It's just not an industry for the impatient.

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I can remember when I first got started and back when it was just a project for

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me rather than a part of my business.

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I heard Tim Ferriss on his podcast mention that anyone who gets into podcasting to

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make money is getting into it for the wrong reasons and probably won't last.

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I do think there are exceptions to this, but for the most part is true.

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The exceptions are too few and far between to be worth spending much time on.

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After spending about eight months talking daily with many aspiring new and

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experienced podcasters, I can tell you that the vast majority of podcast creators

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are struggling to get listeners even after two to three or even more years of output.

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Many new podcasters think realistically that they're gonna go

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from zero to Joe Rogan overnight.

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You probably have better odds of success from buying a lottery ticket.

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Shows with corporate or political funding can certainly grow quickly, especially

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those that pander to more populist views.

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Shows with celebrities can grow very quickly too.

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That said, they still need to be good if they're to have any chance of long-term

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listener retention and long-term success.

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Getting onto the Apple Podcast's new and noteworthy list does not guarantee

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podcast success, and people like Neal Veglio have shown it's a system that

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can be and often is easily gamed.

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Neil is gonna be a guest on the next episode of Podfluence.

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My personal preference is towards indie podcasting and podcasters,

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but I do still enjoy some mainstream entertainment shows with celebrities.

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One good example of this being French and Saunders Titting

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about podcast absolutely love it.

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It would also be true to say that podcast guesting is not

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a quickfire solution either.

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It doesn't work like an ad campaign where you would expect to see an almost

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instantaneous flow of traffic or sales once your ad is launched, provided

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it's working correctly, it's often a slow burn with a few initial spikes.

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Many people in their haste to create success and become known through

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podcasting, take the root of trying to get on as many shows as possible to be

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able to evangelize their own agenda.

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In my opinion, that is not the best way to do it,

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even the quantity over quality approach would take time to have any effect.

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And in my experience and the experience of feedback I hear from

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other people, it doesn't do much.

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The only shows that I've ever personally found to really move the needle for

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me professionally in terms of getting people registered for my lead magnet and

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increasing my list size have been the ones who have their target audience dialed in

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and are already serving them well, and it doesn't need to be a massive audience.

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If you go on a hundred or more of the wrong shows with the wrong audiences,

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with podcasters who don't really know what they're doing and are not effectively

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promoting their shows, what kind of results should you expect to get?

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The chances are you don't even know that that's what's going on

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when you are being interviewed.

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The concept of getting more benefit by going on fewer podcasts seems initially

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paradoxical, but it isn't at once you add that element of strategic podcast

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pitching, going on one decent show with the right kind of audience, the right

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related themes and a well-established host, but someone who you like and who

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you get along with is going to do much more for you professionally than going

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on a hundred or more random shows.

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And it still won't transform your business overnight if you don't have all of your

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business elements dialed incorrectly.

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In fact, if you don't have that, it's not gonna help you much.

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. And what do I mean by business elements?

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I'm talking about things like your lead magnet, your offer, knowing

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clearly what you talk about, having a framework and many other things.

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I'll come back to this a bit later as well.

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I was speaking at a virtual event a few years back and there was a very

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well-known speaker and podcaster who heard me speaking at the event, and she loved

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what I said, and in fact, she loved the whole presentation style so much that

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she reached out to me like pretty much as soon as I had come off the stage speaking,

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she offered me an appearance on her podcast and even a job with her company.

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That's amazing, right?

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As you can imagine, this was super exciting for me at the time

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when I was looking for exactly those kinds of opportunities.

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I hate to say it, and I'm not gonna name the celebrity here.

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Some of you may or may not know her, but even after multiple

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attempts of follow up with her, none of those things came to pass.

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Now, she did eventually throw me a bone with free access to one of

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her courses, but, well, I shared the story because these kinds

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of things happen in podcasting.

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People get the impression that your show's gonna take off because a famous guest

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agrees to come on, or there are shows that agree to have you on as a guest and

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then never actually broadcast the episode.

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If you're not prepared for those setbacks and let downs, you're going

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to lose heart and probably fairly quickly and maybe even quit altogether.

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However, I don't want you to quit, especially if it's just

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because things are sometimes harder than you'd like them to be.

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the long game of professional promotions through podcast is only gonna pay off for

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those who are prepared to keep pushing on when it's taking too long, to keep

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trying to get on bigger shows and who keep working on improving their personal

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presentation skills as they do so.

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I've been working on something a bit special recently, and it was

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inspired by the guys at the email marketing podcast, Rob & Kennedy.

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I do recommend checking them out.

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They're really cool.

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I love their show as well.

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They're a lot of fun.

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But what I've created is called the Complete Superstar Podcast Guest

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Framework, and it contains all of the elements that you need at every stage of

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your podcast guesting career to maximize your influence, impact, and income.

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You'll even find all the personal presentation qualities that

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you need to work on in order to become a superstar guest and a

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few download bonuses thrown in.

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And you can get that absolutely free from the link in the show notes.

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I'm gonna start releasing some bonus episodes of the show as well, that were

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recorded before I decided to rebrand and niche down the scope of the show.

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I think there's still valuable chats for those who are interested.

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Have some topics still around influence and persuasion

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around New tropics and more.

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So do look out for those coming very soon.

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The next official episode of Podfluence is going to be with a podcasting,

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coaching some something of an agent Provocateur Neal Veglio, which was so

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much fun to record, and a very cool chat about the world of podcasting and the

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professional value of being in podcasting.

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Definitely worth tuning in for that.

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That's all for me for this week.

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Wherever you're going, whatever you're doing, have an amazing rest of your day.

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John Ball

From international flight attendant to international coach and trainer. Then on to podcaster and persuasion expert, it's been quite the journey for John. Now the author of the book Podfluence: how to build professional authority with podcasts, and host of the Podfluence podcast (formerly Speaking Influence) with over 150 episodes and over 10,000 downloads John is now focused on helping business coaches and speakers to build a following and grow your lead flow and charisma. You can now also listen to John on The Coaching Clinic podcast with his good friend and colleague Angie Besignano and the Try To Stand Up podcast where John is on a journey to become funnier on the stage and in his communication.